Pretty dang interesting…’i’ think

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Reformed Heart posted this video on youtube , and apart from a wrongful linking of Brian McLaren and Rob Bell to the message that is being spoken in the background, it is pretty interesting. I am not sure who the voice is in the background, but the only other person I have heard talk ‘like this’, meaning in person, is John Piper. And as my friend Nicholas Fiedler said of the same talk which we later found out we were both at, ‘it was scary!’ (paraprhase). Nicholas, clear me up on what you really thought…
So yeah, its interesting, but if it leads to a theological processing likened to what Piper has been saying about the Minnesota bridge collapse, ummm…umm..well, just look at Greg Boyd’s blog response here. Not advocating..just processing. It is a tragedy in the community of each Pastor. Yet each seems to have handled it differently from their understanding of God. Isn’t the diversity beautiful?

What do you think, is this a fair treatment of Brian and Rob? I can’t speak for Olsteen and Meyer; however, i guess it was good for me to see that Rick Warren has personally focussed even more on mission in a ‘different way’ in Africa, and he thanks is wife for that. Plus, he is also a friend of Obama😉 and has had to defent it. YES!
let me hear from you..what do you think about the video..or the bridges…or..?
jc

8 thoughts on “Pretty dang interesting…’i’ think

  1. I’d say, the point of that is don’t get popular, don’t sell a lot of books, don’t be anything but reformed in your theology, especially don’t be pentecostal, and don’t be emergent.

  2. Yeah, i guess so, but really i do not think anyone can read what Brian or Rob have said and think that they are actually saying that what the gospel is about is ‘your personal happiness’. If anything, they seem to relentlessly say the opposite.
    thanks for your thoughts
    jc

  3. I have to agree. I can understand the criticism of Joyce Meyer and Joel Osteen on the grounds of preaching ‘self fulfullment’, but I don’t see it in Rick Warren, Rob Bell or Brian McLaren. All of these talk about pouring yourself out for the the poor to show Christ to the world. It feels like a straw man argument, with a nice dose of circular reasoning (i.e. – these people are popular; to be popular you have to be ‘humanist’; therefore these people are humanist).

  4. Ian-
    Thanks for the reply. Definately feels somewhat circular. I guess those who choose to stick their heads up above the the fence are quite often the easiest targets. If you just sit back and let others do the talking, you’re sure never to be a target.
    Then again, as Thomas Merton wrote, often ‘the ‘objectivity’ to which he (in this case the maker of the film) appealed was that of accepted norms…Yet who can garuntee that he has developed the right “instinctive” taste for the real?’
    Part of this processing for me is why is it that people, especially Christians are constantly looking for enemies within? And why need we hurt others to make ourselves or our sides appear to be better?
    thanks again for your thoughts..
    jc

  5. Ed Dobson should not be lumped in with the others. I went to his church for 10 years before I started going to Rob Bell’s, and there is a difference. I love Ed Dobson, and he’s as fundamental as you get. Rob has some ideas I’m not completely convinced of yet, but he’s certainly not the heretic some people make him out to be.

  6. What scares me is when any organization belittles it’s members. When it has a religious slant it gets work, because it gains power and control by limiting the power of the congregants.

  7. What scares me is when any organization belittles it’s members. When it has a religious slant it gets worse, because it gains power and control by limiting the power of the congregants.

  8. What scares me is when any organization belittles it’s members. When it has a religious slant it gets worse, because it gains power and control by limiting the power of the congregants.

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